Received his last Canada Pension cheque, issued in the month of his passing but am unable to cash it. Even the bank manager was surprised they had no mechanism to inform clients. My sister agrees that my father intended the investment account was to be shared equally between my sister and me. Your bank is doing what any bank would do in the circumstances. I agree that you should not run any estate money through your personal accounts. A couple of months pass until her house was sold and the sale closed a week ago. Given that the amount of funds in question is substantial, I wouldn't be surprised if they tell you they want probate.The bank might give your mother a break on this requirement, especially if she continues to keep all of her investments and accounts with them.Lynne. It must be a policy that TD has established. However in the last through s of her life when I could see the end was at hand I put as much available cash in this account because I knew joint accounts would avoid probate. She had no idea if I was a TD customer or not. If they still won't comply, you will probably have to hire a lawyer to write a letter to them for you.Lynne. There were no investments just bank accounts in both our names, (my father and mine)so the money could pass seamlessly in the event of his passing. Are there restrictions or did I just draw an uninformed bank employee? I have generated expense report for the Estate, would that be sufficient for the bank to issue me payment?Thank you, You can repay yourself reasonable expenses without any prior approval from anyone. Utter incompetence on their part considering they should have informed me of this long ago. One is in C$ and one in US$ to handle any subsequent legacy dividends from her investments, before I could get them organized, transferred to me, and sold to cash. Lynne, Hi Lynne,I am being assigned as an executor for my grandma's estate. Excellent blog and thank you for writing the Self-Counsel press document "How Executors Avoid Personal Liability" in BC, published in 2014. Do I just carry on as executor of the will or should I be administrator? Or, if the primary account holder of your joint bank account has recently passed away, we can assist you in determining your entitlement, if any, to the account assets. If you don't have to go through probate, then by all means, don't. Should we be concerned? The bank now says I have to wait 6 months before disbursing to beneficiaries. There are only two options. Is my only recourse to take her to court or at this point start litigation? Do I have to apply to Alberta Surrogate Court to have the will proven as valid before applying for probate? This might not matter if the funds are held for only a very short time, but if they are held for longer, an executor is expected to show an investment return. I have set up an estate account. Canadian Western Bank (CWB) is the only full-service bank in Canada with a strategic focus to meet the unique financial needs of businesses and their owners. She had one (nonjoint) bank account, a TFSA which had some money in it. I believe you are wrong about avoiding probate because of the joint account. That's interesting. My husband is executor and the only child and only beneficiary. My mother passed away in April, and I met with her bank on April 26 primarily to be sure no further deposits were made. I want to ask my question to the bank but can I get your consent first? Try to take the wishes of the beneficiaries into consideration if you can. It has been over 2 weeks now, I have not heard from the branch and I have no access to anything online.My question is why am I being denied any access what would be happening to the accounts that I can't access them and what is taking so long? I happen to be a beneficery, as well as my 3 kids. There are 5 of us siblings and my 4 siblings have all agreed that I would take care of Mom's account. I recently opened an estate account at a bank and they refuse to give me online access. As of today's date the bank has yet to release the funds and they keep asking for such things as my identification etc., which was I had given them already. I have been sent a cheque as final payment for caregiving services. Thanks. In my view, you are doing exactly what is supposed to happen - even though the accounts are in joint names, you are treating the accounts as assets of the estate. My mother's will has her 3 children as executors. I will likely receive a company pension retroactively owed to my husband. Unfortunately, often the only feasible solution is for the accountant to prepare worksheets, pieced together from whatever data can be determined, allocating assets and incomes into pre- and post-death portions, for reasonable, if not precise, tax reporting. the bank of the deceased rejected an ATM deposit to the estate bank account. My mother passed, without a will. If all is well, the probate order will verify the will is valid. Also, they finally said they will release all the funds via bank draft payable to the estate.? You may have to show some of these to justify your expenses in the future.Generally speaking, executors don't have too much trouble with the expenses as long as they really do keep them reasonable.Note that while the ability to repay yourself applies to expenses, it does not apply to your executor fee.Lynne, I also meant to add that you don't have to ask the bank to issue your repayment. But bank policy about the probate requirement is made at the higher levels and the local branches only have so much flexibility. No bank wants funds to flow out. Not every will is probated, and the banks are well aware of that, particularly if some of your joint assets were held there. This is what the law says you are supposed to do. The bank had a copy of the will and death certificate .. now what do I do with these cheques I recently got? It's not what they're used to, I expect, but the law should not require you to get probate.Lynne. This is clearly a "screw you, this works for us" policy on behalf of the banks.Keeping detailed records makes sense. Now she will not agree to allow me to withdraw the 50% of funds from the estate account that I am entitled to. Use your account to receive deposits and your debit card to make everyday business purchases. Tell him in advance that you are coming in to collect a cheque for the full amount of funds and you expect it to be ready. Why do I need an estate bank account? As long as the executors are being reasonable and acting in good faith, they are carrying out their duty.Lynne. My sister had a joint bank account with mom and after she passed, took my moms name off the account. During the estate planning process, the idea of adding a beneficiary, usually an adult child, to an existing bank account as a joint account holder can seem like an attractive, more efficient option than creating a will and then having your executor set up an estate account after you pass. Until then I have to ask for a balance and any bills I need to pay out of the account will have to be by bank draft. Estate planning, wills and dealing with death Making a will, planning your estate, powers of attorney and what to do following a death. CIBC had no problem setting up an estate account on provision of the will; RBC would not do that without probate. All of our accounts are joint as are any debts ie mortgage and car. No, I don't think you can deposit it to your personal account or cash it. The estate is valued under 20000 dollars so we are not applying for probate. The judge has discretion to deal with the will. Thanks again! The probate has just been completed.The estate is entirely investments with no actual cash other than a monthly dividend cash flow. If it's not going to the named beneficiaries, then it has to go to the estate and be taxed. I have having some real tough issues with TD Bank. I have been calling the bank, and getting no answer. I hope other parents read your story because it shows just how careful you have to be when appointing your own kids. I can see them wanting you to show that you're the executor of the estate but as for requiring the original will, no I don't see it.You can just accept the requirement and let them copy it, or go somewhere else.The time is ripe for a trust company, credit union, or some small bank to fill this gap for consumers.Lynne, Two concerns: 1 - Our brother is the executor of fathers estate (death was Oct/17) of 1 to 1.5 million. Part of the probate process IS verifying the will, so you can do this all in one step. Srnicek said most brokers predict interest rates will continue to rise in the first quarter of 2023, with the first Bank of Canada announcement on the key interest rate set for Jan. 23. Paying out of pocket should be the last resort. I went into the bank again and asked to see her but she was in a meeting so another representative took my name and number. The person you choose to administer your estate will use the account's funds to settle your debts, pay taxes and distribute assets. Use any other estate funds you have been able to gather, such as the CPP death benefit or the sale of household contents. I have had a couple cheques come to me for the estate. Hoping you can answer my question. Should I see if the back will do so as it did previously as it knows me or just go to set up a estate account?Thank you for your feedback. Since I am sole beneficiary and will receive the cheques to his estate, how do I set up the estate bank account. Does my daughter have to pay taxes on this as income for the year? If you are not applying for probate for any other reason, I don't see why you would apply for it because of a small cheque. My elderly (74) sister has made 2 partial distributions (3 siblings equal parts) and left enough for the CRA in the Estate account (says she has applied for a certificate). If anything goes missing, it's all on the executor and the bank bears no blame for it.Lynne. I doubt you want the estate you're working on to be that case, so you are acting properly. You must pay all debts (and it sounds as if you have done so) and taxes, then whatever is left must be divided among the beneficiaries.Lynne. Do I have to go open an estate account for,this one cheque. Is this really the case? Had she appointed someone honest, this wouldn't have happened, but I'm sure she had no reason not to trust him. Will I need to go to a bank and set up an estate account and can I do this without needing probate? So out of her account I paid for her last medications so it is a fully paid now. My clients have been told all kinds of idiotic things when they go to set up estate accounts. What kind of taxes will estate have to pay and can estate have an RRSP account?? Her authority to deal with estate assets comes from the will itself, not the probate. An estate account makes it easy for the executor to endorse and deposit these payments. Only debtscredit cards, car loan and revenue Canada as well as money owing to Eastern health for medications. The banks have always agreed to this (with only one exception) because the funds aren't going to the executor or anyone else besides the court. Will i need a letter of administration to open an estate account or will my bank let me sign a letter of indemnity? My sister was POA for mom. My question is, do I need to apply for a probate grant before I go to a financial institution to open an estate account? Other terms for estate representative include estate trustee, executor, liquidator and administrator. We need to access funds to pay final funeral expenses, property tax, and more importantly estate taxes so we can begin probate.How we do access the funds? In retrospect I should have changed banks and set up an estate account. Having said that, there could be other factors that might affect the situation (there always are). Hi LyneI am the executor of my mother's estate . is there any legislation preventing them from doing so? I am the sole beneficiary of my wifes will and the executor. In particular, the bit about being listed as executor per CRA. I know taxes will need to be paid next year. Safe Deposit Boxes You will need the key to any safe deposit box so you can list the contents and access any important documents it may contain. We were able to open up an estate account at the Bank of Montreal and transfer the funds from her account without going through probate. The strategy is usually accomplished through the writing of a Will and establishing Powers of Attorney and similar documents. Any advice you may be able to offer would be appreciated. Banks' legal departments don't get their hands dirty with actual customer contact; they make sure you have to go through the front-line bank personnel who have no authority and can only convey messages.Am I frustrated? Unlimited free Global non-Scotiabank ABM withdrawals 6. An estate account is a temporary bank account that holds an estate's money. Use any other estate funds you have been able to gather, such as the CPP death benefit or the sale of household contents. Do I need to set up a trust account to deposit this for her? Several expenses were incurred and paid from my own pocket while waiting for the probate to be granted. The mistake is just as much yours, as a person under a POA instructing them to do something you weren't allowed to do in the first place.I know this probably isn't the answer you wanted, but that's how I see it.Lynne, Hi Lynne. Rather than looking to legislation, it would probably be a better use of your time to go into the bank and have a chat with the manager and see what their policies are.Lynne. Just recently she sent everyone $50,000.00 cheques, from her bank account, so we could get some of the proceeds now rather waiting the 4 years.An Executor depositing Estate money into there own personal account just doesn't seem right! What about interest, death, separation/divorce etc.2 - He has advised us it will take 4 years before money can be distributed since Canada and the Ontario Ministry of Finance have a 4 year window to assess/reassess estates. Have you taken the estate paperwork to the bank with the cheque? Depending on how long you keep the funds untouched and whether you pair it with a premium chequing account, you can earn up to 4.60% on your savings (includes limited-time bonuses). Let's say your husband goes into the bank with the will and the bank releases the funds to him with no probate. I have some Estate litigation lawyers names but want to know if I can realistically get her to replace that cheque so I can have my money. I am paying their benefits to the court.Thank you for any help and advice. By the way, I checked out your site and it's really unique and interesting.Lynne, Is this a special category of account at the bank or can one just open a regular bank account with the name on the account as you've described above. As of now he has 2000.00 in the estate account and I have a death benefit cheque to deposit. The simple answer is that the people in the branch have no idea how to deal with estates. At least, that's their point of view. Your husband's estate is separate from him. Per the CRA website a T4RRSP/T4LIF/T4RRIF should be issued showing fair market value on date of deat, and interest earned from DOD until the end of the year. I suspect what they are talking about is that certain beneficiaries, such as spouses, usually have 6 months to make a claim against an estate, so executors usually wait out that time period. By doing so, does this mean we now have to probate the will? My mom had around $800 000 of chequing and investment accounts. His RRSP beneficiary form completed in 2011 lists my sister and me as his beneficiaries (oversight). So far I have issued one cheque to myself and one to my sister in equal amounts, (as will states it is 50-50 between us) and we are leaving several thousand in the account to cover bills as they come in. Unfortunately though, they are not the ones involved in your basic executor's account, because the executor's accounts are handled at the branch level.All I can say to executors is that if you cannot get what you need at one bank, go to another one - the competition - and see if you get a better response. Perhaps you think it's ridiculous, but banks and most other people think it's a good idea not to let a deceased person's family treat the bank account as his or her own. My mom's name was on the deed of the house at one time but then at some point her name was removed as she was purchasing another house for investment purposes. She did have a will but unfortunately it was not signed. As the executor I am just starting the estate work. Perhaps you should go to another bank.Lynne, Hi Lynne, my husband recently passed. They also commit to resolving complaints within 90 days, which would take the matter to the end of October. I only want 50%. I was under the impression from my mother's lawyer who handed me notarial copies of her will that that document gave me the legal right to proceed and get any bank accounts changed from her name individually to "The Estate of.." There is real estate and rental properties involved, with rent payments coming in and on-going expenses to be paid on a monthly basis. One bank in which the deceased has an account and who also know my mom from frequently coming to the bank as she was not an online banker are paying the bills as the moment for the house. And, there is no online documentation about Estate Accounts that I can find anywhere on the TD website.Is this normal? I was initially executor and stepped down due to personal reasons. I am just not sure how this is supposed to work?? I'm frustrated that I can't create a single account in the estate's name to deal with everything. This sounds like an error to me, so you might consider contacting the manager of customer service at the bank and showing him/her a copy of the will, and asking that the account be properly set up.Lynne. To me, this is more of a bank policy question than a legal question. 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